HALL, Circuit Judge:
Plaintiff-appellant Rita Walsh brought this action claiming that defendant-appellee New York City Housing Authority's ("NYCHA") decision not to hire her as a bricklayer was sex-based and thus violated Title VII, the New York State Human Rights Law ("NYSHRL"), and the New York City Human Rights Law ("NYCHRL"). The United States District Court for the Southern District of New York (Buchwald, J.) granted NYCHA's motion for summary judgment as to the Title VII and NYSHRL claims after concluding
On February 24, 2010, the NYCHA interviewed Rita Walsh and five male candidates for five open bricklayer positions, two in Manhattan and three in Brooklyn.
NYCHA human resources representative Osagie Akugbe oversaw the interview process. Akugbe explained the process to the candidates when they first arrived. He informed them that one candidate would not be hired, and that after the interviews he would tell them who had been selected. Akugbe also met with the interviewers to discuss, among other things, the types of questions they should avoid asking. Akugbe sat in on each interview, in part so that he would be able to report to his supervisor the reason that any candidate was not hired. Akugbe had no input in the hiring decisions, however.
Walsh was the fifth candidate interviewed. Her resume stated that since May 1995, she had been a tile mechanic with Local 7 Tile, Marble & Terrazo, a division of the Bricklayers and Allied Crafts Union. The interviewers asked Walsh about her experience working with brick and block. She informed them that she had once constructed a glass block shower at a Home Depot Expo, and that she had done "little things on her own." J.A. 361. At their depositions, Lollo and Pawson expressed that they had been surprised that Walsh had so little experience with brick and block, and that she disclosed that fact so readily. According to Walsh, the interviewers did not ask about her experience with tile, and Lollo asked her only one technical question: how to make a mortar mix.
The interviewers unanimously decided not to hire Walsh and to hire the five other candidates. Walsh testified that after all interviews had concluded, Akugbe took her aside to tell her that she did not get the job, and stated that the interviewers wanted somebody stronger.
Walsh brought this discrimination action against NYCHA in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, claiming that she was denied the bricklayer position because of her sex in violation of Title VII, the New York Human Rights Law ("NYHRL"), and the New York City Human Rights Law ("NYCHRL"). In December 2013, the district court entered a Memorandum and Order granting NYCHA's motion for summary judgment as to Walsh's Title VII and NYHRL claims, and dismissing Walsh's NYCHRL claim after declining to exercise supplemental jurisdiction over the same. This appeal followed.
We review de novo a district court's grant of a motion for summary judgment. Aulicino v. N.Y.C. Dept. of Homeless Servs., 580 F.3d 73, 79 (2d Cir. 2009). Summary judgment is appropriate "if the movant shows that there is no genuine dispute as to any material fact and the movant is entitled to judgment as a matter of law." Fed. R. Civ. P. 56(a). A genuine dispute exists "where the evidence is such that a reasonable jury could decide in the nonmovant's favor." Delaney v. Bank of Am. Corp., 766 F.3d 163, 167 (2d Cir. 2014). We must "construe the facts in the light most favorable to the non-moving party and must resolve all ambiguities and draw all reasonable inferences against the movant." Aulicino, 580 F.3d at 79-80. This Court has long recognized "the need for caution about granting summary judgment to an employer in a discrimination case where, as here, the merits turn on a dispute as to the employer's intent." Gorzynski v. JetBlue Airways Corp., 596 F.3d 93, 101 (2d Cir. 2010) (internal quotation marks omitted).
Title VII makes it unlawful for an employer to discriminate against any individual based on that person's sex. 42 U.S.C. § 2000e-2(a)(1). Claims of sex-based discrimination under Title VII and the NYHRL are analyzed using the familiar
It is uncontested that Walsh's sex places her in a protected class and that NYCHA's decision not to hire her constituted an adverse employment action. NYCHA argues that our analysis need not proceed past the prima facie stage, however, because Walsh has failed to demonstrate that she was qualified for the bricklayer position and that her rejection occurred under circumstances giving rise to an inference of discrimination. In the alternative, NYCHA points to Walsh's admitted lack of experience laying brick and block as the legitimate, nondiscriminatory reason upon which its decision was based. Walsh does not argue that NYCHA failed to meet its burden at the second stage of the McDonnell Douglas analysis; instead she argues that the district court erred by concluding at the third stage of that analysis that Walsh failed to offer sufficient evidence from which a reasonable jury may find that sex was a motivating factor in NYCHA's decision.
The Supreme Court has held:
U.S. Postal Serv. Bd. of Governors v. Aikens, 460 U.S. 711, 715, 103 S.Ct. 1478, 75 L.Ed.2d 403 (1983) (internal citations and quotation marks omitted).
In part because Walsh's burden at the prima facie stage is minimal, Byrnie v. Town of Cromwell, Bd. of Educ., 243 F.3d 93, 101 (2d Cir. 2001), and because Walsh does not argue that NYCHA failed to proffer
A plaintiff's evidence at the third step of the McDonnell Douglas analysis must be viewed as a whole rather than in a piecemeal fashion. Byrnie, 243 F.3d at 102 ("At summary judgment in an employment discrimination case, a court should examine the record as a whole, just as a jury would, to determine whether a jury could reasonably find an invidious discriminatory purpose on the part of an employer. A court is to examine the entire record to determine whether the plaintiff could satisfy his ultimate burden of persuading the trier of fact that the defendant intentionally discriminated against the plaintiff. A motion for summary judgment may be defeated where a plaintiff's prima facie case, combined with sufficient evidence to find that the employer's asserted justification is false, may permit the trier of fact to conclude that the employer unlawfully discriminated." (internal citations and quotation marks omitted)).
The district court erred when it failed to view Walsh's evidence as a whole and instead set aside each piece of evidence after deeming it insufficient to create a triable issue of fact that NYCHA's refusal to hire Walsh was based in part on the fact that she is female.
As the district court recognized, "[n]otably, at the time of the interviews, no women were employed by NYCHA as bricklayers, and as far as the interviewers knew, no woman had ever held the position." Walsh v. N.Y.C. Hous. Auth., No. 11 Civ. 6342, 2013 WL 6669381, at *3 (S.D.N.Y. Dec. 16, 2013). Noting that the
The district court confronted a similar situation in United States v. City of New York, 713 F.Supp.2d 300 (S.D.N.Y. 2010), a pattern or practice case in which the plaintiff did not proffer statistical evidence aimed at establishing the defendant's past treatment of the protected group. We agree with the court's lucid analysis of that issue in City of New York:
City of New York, 713 F.Supp.2d at 317-18 (internal citations and quotation marks omitted).
NYCHA attempts to diminish the applicability to this case of the court's reasoning in City of New York to this case on the basis that Walsh brought an individual disparate treatment claim as opposed to the type of pattern or practice claim at issue in City of New York. This tactic backfires, however. In contrast to individual disparate treatment claims, "pattern-or-practice disparate treatment claims focus on allegations of widespread acts of intentional discrimination," and require the plaintiff to "demonstrate that intentional discrimination was the defendant's standard operating procedure." Reynolds v. Barrett, 685 F.3d 193, 203 (2d Cir. 2012) (internal quotation marks and brackets omitted). As a result, statistical evidence of past actions is a mainstay of pattern or practice claims; the same is not true, however, of individual disparate treatment claims. See id. ("It bears noting that the heavy reliance on statistical evidence in a pattern-or-practice disparate treatment claim distinguishes such a claim from an individual disparate treatment claim...." (internal quotation marks and brackets omitted)). Thus, the reasoning articulated in City of New York — and its conclusion that statistical data is not required for an "inexorable zero" to have probative value — rings all the more loudly in the context of this individual disparate treatment case.
The finder of fact may properly consider the dearth of female bricklayers as one component of its cumulative inquiry. Of course, the absence of contextual or historical data is fodder for NYCHA when attempting
Walsh argues that her qualifications were superior to those of Joseph Giannotti and Michael Zambino, two of the successful candidates, and that a jury may use those facts to infer a discriminatory motive.
There was no tile setter position at NYCHA; bricklayers performed that task. Two of the successful candidates testified that as bricklayers in Manhattan and Brooklyn, they spend between 50 and 90 percent of their time doing tile work. Walsh had ten years of experience working as a tile setter. Giannotti did "a lot of tile work" during the approximately seven years he worked as a maintenance mechanic for the Long Island City Board of Education, and nothing in the record indicates that Zambino had any experience working with tile. From this evidence, a rational finder of fact could reasonably conclude that Walsh was more qualified than at least one of the successful male candidates to perform one of the main tasks — if not the primary task — required of a bricklayer. While this evidence of disparity in qualifications, standing alone, falls short of establishing a discriminatory motive, it is not devoid of all probative value as to that issue.
Perhaps more significant is the evidence Walsh proffered regarding the interview itself that, if credited by a jury, supports her argument that NYCHA's decision not to hire her was motivated in part by sex-based discrimination. Lollo testified that it was his usual practice to ask candidates technical questions on a number of topics. Pawson testified that the most important thing he considered when evaluating candidates was whether they answered these technical questions correctly. Finally, Walsh testified that she was asked only one technical question, which was on the subject of making mortar mix; she was not asked any technical questions related to brick and block (the area in which her inexperience purportedly prevented her from being hired) or to tile work (which,
Walsh alleges that after the interviews were over, Akugbe took her aside and told her she did not get the job because the interviewers wanted someone stronger. The district court ruled, sua sponte, that the statement was "hearsay by an individual with no decisionmaking authority, where the only evidence that it was made is plaintiff's self-serving testimony and note." Walsh, 2013 WL 6669381, at *10. Because NYCHA did not challenge or otherwise raise the admissibility of Akugbe's statement, Walsh was not afforded the opportunity to address that issue. We review the district court's ruling on the admissibility of evidence for abuse of discretion, see United States v. Gupta, 747 F.3d 111, 128 (2d Cir. 2014), and hold that such abuse is present here.
First, Akugbe's statement is a significant piece of Walsh's evidentiary proffer, particularly in the context of the district court's piecemeal approach of evaluating the evidence. To wit, the district court acknowledged the importance of that evidence, stating: "Plaintiff's argument
Second, Akugbe's statement as relayed through Walsh's testimony and note, is not inadmissible hearsay. Under the party-opponent exemption, a statement is not hearsay if it was "made by the party's agent or employee within the scope of that relationship and while it existed." Fed. R. Evid. 801(d)(2)(D). Because it is uncontested that Akugbe was employed by NYCHA at the time he allegedly made this statement, applicability of the party-opponent exemption hinges on whether the statement "relates to a matter within the scope of the agency." United States v. Rioux, 97 F.3d 648, 660 (2d Cir. 1996). The district court emphasized Akugbe's lack of decisionmaking authority, but such authority is not required for Akugbe to be considered an agent of NYCHA. Instead, the declarant "need only be an advisor or other significant participant in the decision-making process that is the subject matter of the statement" for the statement "to be deemed within the scope of his agency." Id. at 661. Akugbe is a human resources representative and was tasked with facilitating the interview process. He was present when the hiring decisions were made and sat in on the interviews so that he could report why any candidate was not selected — which is, of course, the subject matter of the statement at issue here. Akugbe was also responsible for informing the candidates of the interviewers' decision, which is precisely what he was doing when he allegedly told Walsh that the interviewers were looking for someone stronger. Akugbe's statement was thus made within the scope of his relationship with NYCHA, and is not hearsay.
To the extent the district court discounted Akugbe's statement because "the only
151 F.3d at 57 (internal citations and quotation marks omitted). It is the finder of fact, not the district court ruling on summary judgment, who must determine the weight and credibility to accord Walsh's evidence regarding Akugbe's statement.
Finally, Akugbe's statement is relevant to the issue of discriminatory motive. "It is the law ... that stereotyped remarks can certainly be evidence that gender played a part in an adverse employment decision." Back v. Hastings On Hudson Union Free Sch. Dist., 365 F.3d 107, 119 (2d Cir. 2004) (internal quotation marks omitted). It can hardly be contested that males are widely considered to be stronger than females. The fact that strength was not discussed during the interview does not cut against a finding of discrimination, as the district court indicated. To the contrary, if the finder of fact credits Walsh's evidence pertaining to Akugbe's statement, the fact that strength was not mentioned tends to support the inference that the interviewers succumbed to a sex-based stereotype because it removes one of the alternative bases on which they could have based their assessment of her strength.
Walsh has proffered evidence that — when viewed as a whole — is sufficient to permit a rational finder of fact to infer that NYCHA's decision not to hire her was more likely than not motivated in part by sex-based discrimination. The dissent characterizes our holding today as "com[ing] close to eviscerating the plaintiff's burden at step three of the McDonnell Douglas test," Dis. Op. at 90-91, but we have done no such thing. At bottom, our disagreement with the dissent is factual in nature. What the dissent perceives as weak evidence or mere scintillae, Dis. Op. at 87-88, 89, 90-91, comprise a set of facts from which, if proven, a reasonable jury could conclude that NYCHA's proffered reason for not hiring Walsh was a pretext for discrimination. That two members of a panel of this Court view a particular factual record as sufficient to pass muster at the summary judgment stage while the third member views the same record as insufficient does not amount to a change in the substantive underlying law. It is the job of judges to "apply their best judgment, guided by the statutory standard governing review and the holdings of our precedents, to the [decision below] and the record" supporting it, Chen v. Bd. of Immigration Appeals, 435 F.3d 141, 145 (2d
The judgment and order granting summary judgment entered by the district court are
DEBRA ANN LIVINGSTON, Circuit Judge, dissenting:
I cannot join in the majority's determination that a reasonable jury might conclude that the decision not to hire the plaintiff, Rita Walsh, as a bricklayer was attributable even in part to sex discrimination. By her own admission during the job interview, Walsh, an experienced tile setter, was not a bricklayer. As she candidly stated during the interview when asked about her bricklaying experience, Walsh had "done a glass block shower at the Home Depot Expo," but "[t]hat was pretty much it.... I've done little things on my own but nothing, you know." J.A. 267. Given her admission that she lacked any experience in the skilled trade in which she sought a position, it is highly doubtful that Walsh established even a prima facie case. Assuming she did, it is abundantly clear that the New York City Housing Authority ("NYCHA") mustered at step two as persuasive a "legitimate, nondiscriminatory reason" for this failure-to-hire as one could imagine — namely, that Walsh herself admitted to having virtually no bricklaying experience during her interview for the position.
With respect, moreover, the triable case that the majority perceives at step three (supposedly from looking at the record as a whole) is an illusion. The majority's fanciful approach to the summary judgment standard requires the majority, against all evidence in the record, either to equate tile setting and bricklaying, two distinct trades, or utterly to deny the skills associated with bricklaying — skills that Walsh could undoubtedly acquire, but that she does not now have, by her own admission. I cannot agree with the majority's assessment that the record here could support a reasonable jury verdict in favor of the plaintiff. Accordingly, I would affirm for substantially the reasons stated in the opinion of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York (Buchwald, J.).
In the New York City civil-service system, the stated qualifications — as established by the New York City Department of Citywide and Administrative Services ("DCAS") — for the position of Bricklayer include either (1) at least five years of "full-time satisfactory experience as a bricklayer," or, alternatively, (2) at least three years of such experience, plus "sufficient training of a relevant nature ... to make up the equivalent of three years of acceptable experience."
DCAS defines the duties and responsibilities of bricklayers.
Bricklayers in the New York City civil-service system also perform tasks ordinarily done by tile setters, a related but distinct trade.
Walsh began the application process in 2005, taking the civil-service written examination on October 15 of that year. She received a passing score, and DCAS placed her 55th on the eligibility list. More than four years later, in January 2010, NYCHA had openings to hire five new bricklayers for Borough Management Departments — three in Brooklyn and two in Manhattan. DCAS sent NYCHA's Human Resources Department a list of eight individuals from the eligibility list, including Walsh. NYCHA then sent letters to each of the eight applicants and, on February 24, 2010, six of them appeared at the agency's Human Resources Department to interview for the five positions. The six candidates who appeared were — in order of their positions on the eligibility list — Ferdinand Arlia, Joseph Giannotti, Michael Zambino, Emmanuel Sylvester, Rita Walsh, and Giuseppe Grippi. At the time of the interview, Giannotti and Grippi worked for NYCHA in non-bricklayer capacities. All interviewees brought resumes, except for Grippi.
Four City employees conducted the interviews: Fred Singer, Wanda Gilliam, James Lollo, and Charles Pawson. Singer and Gilliam were Borough Administrators for Skilled Trades in Manhattan and
Overall, "[t]he purpose of [the] questions and the interviews in general," as the district court noted, "was to ascertain whether the candidates had adequate knowledge of bricklaying and could perform the job well, not to determine whether the candidates met the qualification requirements established by DCAS." Walsh v. N.Y.C. Hous. Auth., No. 11 Civ. 6342 NRB, 2013 WL 6669381, at *2 (S.D.N.Y. Dec. 16, 2013). Each interviewer had a different understanding of his or her role. Gilliam had the final say on hiring for the Brooklyn positions, but had no special knowledge about bricklaying. From her experience in similar interviews, Gilliam left it to the representatives from the Technical Services Department — in this case, James Lollo — to ask technical questions; she would ask about borough preferences and the ability to attend work. As she put it, Gilliam was looking for "[s]omeone who could fit into the position of bricklayer, someone who can easily adapt to our, our agency's requirements to do X number of jobs a day, somebody just[, in] general, just a person who can fit into that capacity... [with] [s]ome overall knowledge of the job." Singer, as the Manhattan representative, also had the final say over the Manhattan positions, but described the interview process as involving a joint hiring decision made with the technical advisers. He, like Gilliam, had no bricklaying experience. Lollo was the technical expert of the group. He had spent his career as a bricklayer, and felt that his responsibility in the interview was to determine whether applicants "had knowledge of the bricklaying and masonry trades." J.A. 127. Finally, Pawson said little in the interviews. He explained that Lollo asked technical questions, and that his job was simply to sit in on the process.
Walsh's interviewers received her resume, which states, in relevant part, that she spent four months at the Tile Mechanic Training Center and worked from 1995 to 2010 as a Tile Mechanic for the Tile, Marble and Terrazo Division of the Bricklayers and Allied Craftsman Union. The portion of the resume about Walsh's tile-setting work adds that her responsibilities include installing tile or marble "on walls and floors," leveling and plumbing tile on walls and floors, "[w]ater proofing" walls, and "cutting and install[ing] saddles [and] soap dishes." J.A. 651.
At her deposition, Walsh stated that she could not recall whether the interviewers gave her any description of the job. They asked some non-technical questions, including whether she had a fear of heights, whether she was able to work in cramped spaces, and whether she was available for overtime. Walsh also recalled that she was asked a technical question about mixing cement.
With regard to her work experience, Walsh testified that "[t]hey asked if I had experience laying brick." J.A. 267. She recounted that she had "done a glass block shower at the Home Depot Expo," but
Walsh's recollection of her interview as it relates to the discussion of her work experience is generally consistent with that of each of the interviewers. Gilliam recalled Walsh saying that "she did not have any knowledge of brickwork ... her experiences were mostly with the ceramic tiles, but that she was a hard worker and a quick learner and that she was willing to do what she needed to do."
J.A. 156-57.
The interviewers unanimously agreed not to offer Walsh a position, citing as the reason her lack of experience with brick and block. At least one person noted that Walsh would have been a good candidate for a mason's helper position, where she would presumably have learned requisite bricklaying skills. Indeed, Akugbe made a notion to that effect — "*consider Mason Help[er]" — on Walsh's resume during the interview process. J.A. 298. After the interviewers made their decision, Akugbe informed Walsh that NYCHA would not be offering her a position. The interviewers extended offers to all five male candidates interviewed that day, although one of these offers was later retracted when investigation established that the candidate lacked the requisite experience.
On September 12, 2011, Walsh filed suit, claiming that NYCHA discriminated against her on the basis of sex in violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the New York State Human Rights Law, and the New York City Human Rights Law. Following discovery, NYCHA moved for summary judgment. NYCHA argued that Walsh failed to establish a prima facie case of discrimination or, in the alternative, that no reasonable jury could conclude that NYCHA's rationale for not hiring her was a pretext for discrimination on the basis of sex. The district court issued a memorandum and order granting summary judgment to NYCHA on December 16, 2013. See Walsh, 2013 WL 6669381, at *11.
The district court noted that "[i]t is far from clear that plaintiff possessed the necessary qualifications to become a bricklayer," but elected to assume without deciding, given the minimal burden of establishing a prima facie case, that Walsh's time as a tile setter qualified her for the bricklayer position and that the circumstances surrounding the interview raised an inference of discrimination. Id. at *8. Judge Buchwald went on to note, however, that NYCHA had a legitimate, nondiscriminatory reason for choosing the five male candidates over Walsh: namely, that she "admittedly [had] extremely limited experience with brick and block." Id. at *9.
With this explanation in mind, the court turned to whether Walsh had "produced evidence from which a rational jury could find that gender was more likely than not a motivating factor in NYCHA's refusal to hire her." Id. As relevant here, the court assessed evidence put forward by Walsh that: (1) NYCHA has never had a female bricklayer so far as the interviewers recalled; (2) plaintiff supposedly had superior qualifications to other candidates who were hired; and (3) Akugbe allegedly informed Walsh at the time of her rejection that the interviewers rejected her because "they wanted somebody stronger." Id. The district court concluded that this evidence "falls short of raising a triable issue of fact that NYCHA's refusal to hire [Walsh] was based on her gender." Id. The district court therefore granted summary judgment for NYCHA on Walsh's Title VII and New York State Human Rights Law claims. Id. at *10-11. However, because a more liberal standard applies to discrimination claims under the New York City Human Rights Law, the court declined to exercise supplemental jurisdiction over that remaining claim and dismissed it without prejudice. Id. at *11. This appeal followed.
We "review a district court's decision to grant summary judgment de novo, resolving all ambiguities and drawing all permissible factual inferences in favor of the party against whom summary judgment is sought." Burg v. Gosselin, 591 F.3d 95, 97 (2d Cir. 2010) (quoting Wright v. Goord, 554 F.3d 255, 266 (2d Cir. 2009)). Title VII makes it unlawful for an employer to "refuse to hire ... any individual ... because of such individual's ... sex." 42 U.S.C. § 2000e-2(a)(1). "An employment decision, then, violates Title VII when it is `based in whole or in part on discrimination.'"
Walsh has not adduced sufficient evidence to raise a triable issue of fact on this ultimate question. In arguing to the contrary, the majority contends that the district court "failed to view Walsh's evidence as a whole." Maj. Op. at 76. Examining each piece of evidence on which the majority relies, however, it is clear that whether viewed item-by-item or all together, the evidence here is simply inadequate to support a reasonable conclusion, at step three, that NYCHA's "proffered, non-discriminatory reason" for not hiring the plaintiff — namely, that she lacked bricklaying experience — was "a mere pretext for actual discrimination."
The majority first points to evidence that at the time of Walsh's interview, no women were employed by NYCHA as bricklayers and, so far as the interviewers knew, no woman had held this civil service position.
There is no such particularized evidence in this record. The majority endeavors to find some discrepancy in qualifications, opining that "a rational finder of fact could reasonably conclude" that Walsh's tile-setting experience was superior to that of Zambino, one of the five men offered employment on the day that Walsh interviewed.
The majority endeavors to sidestep this basic problem — that Walsh lacked bricklaying experience, and admitted as much in her job interview — by pointing to evidence that some bricklayers at NYCHA do a substantial amount of tile work. The record is undisputed, however, that bricklayers at NYCHA must be proficient in all duties under the job title, including brick and block construction, masonry repair, and boiler overhauling. As Wanda Gilliam, Borough Administrator for the Skilled Trades in Brooklyn put it, "bricklayers are supposed to perform all kinds of tasks," and "[w]e don't know what's on the work orders until they get the job." J.A. 86. It is thus irrelevant, even if true, that Walsh has more tile-setting experience than Zambino, given her professed lack of experience in bricklaying. As we recently stated, Title VII prohibits discrimination: It "is not an invitation for courts to `sit as a super-personnel department that reexamines' employers' judgments," whether related to the proper standards for tenure or for proficiency in bricklaying. Chen v. City Univ. of N.Y., 805 F.3d 59, 73 (2d Cir. 2015) (quoting Delaney v. Bank of Am. Corp., 766 F.3d 163, 169 (2d Cir. 2014) (per curiam)); see also Weinstock, 224 F.3d at 43 (noting that court's "role is narrowly limited to determining whether an illegitimate discriminatory reason played a motivating role in the employment decision" (quoting Bickerstaff, 196 F.3d at 456)); Bickerstaff, 196 F.3d at 455 (observing that "Vassar alone has the right to set its own criteria for promotion and then to evaluate a candidate's fitness for promotion under them").
Recognizing the weakness in its position, the majority hurries on to note that "[p]erhaps more significant" than the supposed discrepancy of skills between Walsh and Zambino is the evidence that, according to Walsh, she was asked only one technical question during her interview. Maj. Op. at 78-79. But it is the majority that now fails to assess the record as a whole. Perhaps such a fact could be probative in another case, but it is wholly inadequate to raise an inference of discrimination here, and for one simple reason: namely, that given Walsh's admitted lack of bricklaying experience, it is hardly surprising that the interviewers declined to press her on the intricacies of the field. In any event, even drawing all inferences in Walsh's favor, it is in fact unclear whether the interviewers asked Walsh fewer technical questions than they did the others. Walsh testified that an interviewer asked her about mixing cement and about her bricklaying experience, but did not ask any questions about bricklaying techniques. Giannotti recalled receiving a similar pair of questions, while Sylvester remembers being asked only about the tools used for bricklaying and tile cutting. The record lacks information about the other candidates' interviews.
That brings us to the single piece of evidence on which the majority really relies: namely, that Akugbe supposedly told Walsh, after her interview, that the interviewers
Setting this aside, however, and properly assuming, at the summary judgment stage, that Akugbe did, in fact, make the statement attributed to him by Walsh, there is a more fundamental problem: namely, that Akugbe's alleged statement very plausibly could refer not to Walsh's physical strength (and to gender stereotypes about physical strength) but to Walsh's near total lack of experience and to the fact that she was not a strong candidate, in light of her inexperience as a bricklayer. In such circumstances, where a remark is susceptible of two or more meanings, only one of which may be relevant to discriminatory intent, it is "perfectly appropriate" for a court at the summary judgment stage (as we have said in the past) to ask whether a reasonable finder of fact, considering such a remark, "could conclude from both [the] remark and other evidence in the record that [the plaintiff] met her burden of proving pretext."
With this decision, the majority comes close to eviscerating the plaintiff's burden at step three of the McDonnell Douglas
The majority's approach to the summary judgment standard as applied to hiring decisions may perversely disserve those who seek work in fields in which they have been historically underrepresented by creating incentives on the part of employers to interview only those with impeccable paper credentials — those with formal training and evident work experience, and not those who may have the requisite knowledge and experience notwithstanding a lack of formal credentials.